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	<title>Comments on: Homeschool Diplomas &#8211; Fact vs. Fiction</title>
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		<title>By: Sarah Rainsberger</title>
		<link>http://www.rainsberger.ca/blog/2008/03/20/homeschool-diplomas-fact-vs-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-11654</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Rainsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sherri,

I realized that I missed a key part of your question - applying to a job without the high school diploma.

Typically, employers that want to see a high school diploma are really saying that they only require high school, and not post-secondary school, credentials.  It is less likely that they will actually require the high school diploma *if* you have a higher level of certification, such as a college diploma or university degree.  If you know that some kind of post-secondary credential is in your daughter&#039;s future, then I wouldn&#039;t worry too much (99% of the time) about the lack of an official high school degree *if* she earns a higher degree/diploma.

As you say re: your husband&#039;s situation, yes, students without a high school diploma are at a disadvantage if they don&#039;t have another piece of paper to offer.  But, these obstacles can often be overcome even later in life.  Worst case, adults can write a GED exam at any age.  These are some of the trade offs involved in choosing to forgo the high school diploma.

You also mention apprenticeship programs.  In Ontario, these programs are available as a sort of &quot;alternative&quot; path to the high school diploma.  So yes, some of them can be taken towards the diploma.  Other programs may require a high school diploma as an admission requirement, but again, talking to the individual school will give you a better idea of what they&#039;re expecting and demanding.  I&#039;m not sure whether you&#039;re looking at an apprenticeship program in Ontario (if so, ask whether they are a part of the &quot;Pathways to Learning&quot; program which is supposed to encourage students to get a diploma &quot;by any means necessary&quot;) or in the US (in which case they probably have some kind of guidelines for homeschooled students).

Again, best of luck!
Sarah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sherri,</p>
<p>I realized that I missed a key part of your question &#8211; applying to a job without the high school diploma.</p>
<p>Typically, employers that want to see a high school diploma are really saying that they only require high school, and not post-secondary school, credentials.  It is less likely that they will actually require the high school diploma *if* you have a higher level of certification, such as a college diploma or university degree.  If you know that some kind of post-secondary credential is in your daughter&#8217;s future, then I wouldn&#8217;t worry too much (99% of the time) about the lack of an official high school degree *if* she earns a higher degree/diploma.</p>
<p>As you say re: your husband&#8217;s situation, yes, students without a high school diploma are at a disadvantage if they don&#8217;t have another piece of paper to offer.  But, these obstacles can often be overcome even later in life.  Worst case, adults can write a GED exam at any age.  These are some of the trade offs involved in choosing to forgo the high school diploma.</p>
<p>You also mention apprenticeship programs.  In Ontario, these programs are available as a sort of &#8220;alternative&#8221; path to the high school diploma.  So yes, some of them can be taken towards the diploma.  Other programs may require a high school diploma as an admission requirement, but again, talking to the individual school will give you a better idea of what they&#8217;re expecting and demanding.  I&#8217;m not sure whether you&#8217;re looking at an apprenticeship program in Ontario (if so, ask whether they are a part of the &#8220;Pathways to Learning&#8221; program which is supposed to encourage students to get a diploma &#8220;by any means necessary&#8221;) or in the US (in which case they probably have some kind of guidelines for homeschooled students).</p>
<p>Again, best of luck!<br />
Sarah.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherri kejick</title>
		<link>http://www.rainsberger.ca/blog/2008/03/20/homeschool-diplomas-fact-vs-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-11653</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherri kejick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou Sarah, great information and advice.  It helps alot.  
Regards-
Sherri kejick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou Sarah, great information and advice.  It helps alot.<br />
Regards-<br />
Sherri kejick</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Rainsberger</title>
		<link>http://www.rainsberger.ca/blog/2008/03/20/homeschool-diplomas-fact-vs-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-11651</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Rainsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sherry,

As always, my advice is to cater to the UNIVERSITY you&#039;ll be applying to, no matter where you live.  It&#039;s ultimately the university whose entrance requirements you&#039;ll have to satisfy.  A university (or college, if that&#039;s what it is - in Ontario, Canada we call them universities) will care less about a Canadian high school diploma than about its own policies.

As for an age requirement, that too is set by the individual college/university.  There is typically no age requirement for attending (remember, there are always genius 10 year olds in math faculties!) any post-secondary institution, so 17 vs. 18 shouldn&#039;t make that much of a difference as long as the institution has a policy of accepting homeschoolers.  In Ontario, Canada, the policy is typically that at 21 years of age a student can apply as a &quot;mature student&quot; under different guidelines than that of a typical high school applicant.  I&#039;m not very familiar with all the different US colleges/universities, nor with the specific laws of Minnesota.

I would suggest you contact the school you wish to apply to and ask:

1.  Do you have a homeschool policy?  If so, what are the requirements, and are they any different for someone with a high school education in Canada than in the US?
2.  Is there any age requirement for admission?
3. If my daughter doesn&#039;t already have what you would consider to be the requirements to apply, is there a &quot;pre-program&quot; or &quot;probationary status&quot; she can apply to?
4. Given my daughter&#039;s educational profile, what is missing that we would need to complete for a successful application?

This should at least get you started.  If you have any other questions, concerns or obstacles, let me know and perhaps I can direct you further.  But I can&#039;t stress enough to CONTACT THE UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE and work with them.  Many institutions in the US care less about the high school credentials than their own admission process and requirements, so ASK THEM what they want to see and plan for that.

Best wishes!
Sarah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sherry,</p>
<p>As always, my advice is to cater to the UNIVERSITY you&#8217;ll be applying to, no matter where you live.  It&#8217;s ultimately the university whose entrance requirements you&#8217;ll have to satisfy.  A university (or college, if that&#8217;s what it is &#8211; in Ontario, Canada we call them universities) will care less about a Canadian high school diploma than about its own policies.</p>
<p>As for an age requirement, that too is set by the individual college/university.  There is typically no age requirement for attending (remember, there are always genius 10 year olds in math faculties!) any post-secondary institution, so 17 vs. 18 shouldn&#8217;t make that much of a difference as long as the institution has a policy of accepting homeschoolers.  In Ontario, Canada, the policy is typically that at 21 years of age a student can apply as a &#8220;mature student&#8221; under different guidelines than that of a typical high school applicant.  I&#8217;m not very familiar with all the different US colleges/universities, nor with the specific laws of Minnesota.</p>
<p>I would suggest you contact the school you wish to apply to and ask:</p>
<p>1.  Do you have a homeschool policy?  If so, what are the requirements, and are they any different for someone with a high school education in Canada than in the US?<br />
2.  Is there any age requirement for admission?<br />
3. If my daughter doesn&#8217;t already have what you would consider to be the requirements to apply, is there a &#8220;pre-program&#8221; or &#8220;probationary status&#8221; she can apply to?<br />
4. Given my daughter&#8217;s educational profile, what is missing that we would need to complete for a successful application?</p>
<p>This should at least get you started.  If you have any other questions, concerns or obstacles, let me know and perhaps I can direct you further.  But I can&#8217;t stress enough to CONTACT THE UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE and work with them.  Many institutions in the US care less about the high school credentials than their own admission process and requirements, so ASK THEM what they want to see and plan for that.</p>
<p>Best wishes!<br />
Sarah.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherri kejick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherri kejick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter is 16 and has recently had alot of health issues that has kept her from completing this semester of compulsory credits that were university level, she instead dropped those classes in exchange for independent study courses for the remaining semester so she wouldnt lose any credits during her illness.  She only had 3 compulsories left to complete, but was struggeling and the school wont allow her to take them as independent studies. I homeschooled her in colorado when she was in grades 2 and 3 under a private program that gave me the ability to choose her curriculum.  She was able to re-enter the mainstream when we moved with no lack in keeping up with her work.  Now she is wanting to homeschool again, but since we are permanent residents here, and she is hoping to attend university in minnesota,who says they accept homeschoolers, I am unsure what guidelines of homeschooling I need to be following, Ontario&#039;s? or Minnesota&#039;s where the university is.  I am assuming Ontario&#039;s since we are permanent residents, however she will apply to the college as a U.S. citizen I believe.  It was easier in Colorado to have someone to be registered under as a homeschooler to help me to know how to keep her on track, Im not sure what that is here or where to find it.  My other concern is for the high school diploma vrs. a profile and what that will do to her life in the future job wise.  My husband is a 26 year police officer who has no diploma, but if he loses his present job he will not be able to apply at another force because the requirements of applicants state he now has to have a highschool diploma, so Im not sure what to do in terms of allowing her to homeschool.  She wants to do this because she can take an apprenticeship in what she is interested in now that will be hands on and very informative in a future career and an advantage prior to her entering college.  Is there any way to get this apprenticeship recognized as an accredited curriculum/co-op as a homeschooler?  Any help or advice would be great. She visited the college yesterday for an open house, as a homeschooler, can she enter college at 17, or does she have have to be 18?  Is there a law requirement on how many years one has to homeschool? 
Thankyou-
Sherri Kejick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter is 16 and has recently had alot of health issues that has kept her from completing this semester of compulsory credits that were university level, she instead dropped those classes in exchange for independent study courses for the remaining semester so she wouldnt lose any credits during her illness.  She only had 3 compulsories left to complete, but was struggeling and the school wont allow her to take them as independent studies. I homeschooled her in colorado when she was in grades 2 and 3 under a private program that gave me the ability to choose her curriculum.  She was able to re-enter the mainstream when we moved with no lack in keeping up with her work.  Now she is wanting to homeschool again, but since we are permanent residents here, and she is hoping to attend university in minnesota,who says they accept homeschoolers, I am unsure what guidelines of homeschooling I need to be following, Ontario&#8217;s? or Minnesota&#8217;s where the university is.  I am assuming Ontario&#8217;s since we are permanent residents, however she will apply to the college as a U.S. citizen I believe.  It was easier in Colorado to have someone to be registered under as a homeschooler to help me to know how to keep her on track, Im not sure what that is here or where to find it.  My other concern is for the high school diploma vrs. a profile and what that will do to her life in the future job wise.  My husband is a 26 year police officer who has no diploma, but if he loses his present job he will not be able to apply at another force because the requirements of applicants state he now has to have a highschool diploma, so Im not sure what to do in terms of allowing her to homeschool.  She wants to do this because she can take an apprenticeship in what she is interested in now that will be hands on and very informative in a future career and an advantage prior to her entering college.  Is there any way to get this apprenticeship recognized as an accredited curriculum/co-op as a homeschooler?  Any help or advice would be great. She visited the college yesterday for an open house, as a homeschooler, can she enter college at 17, or does she have have to be 18?  Is there a law requirement on how many years one has to homeschool?<br />
Thankyou-<br />
Sherri Kejick</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Rainsberger</title>
		<link>http://www.rainsberger.ca/blog/2008/03/20/homeschool-diplomas-fact-vs-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-1422</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Rainsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rosina,

Thanks for the comment.  I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve been enjoying the site.

What I&#039;ve written above pretty much goes across the country with respect to &quot;accreditation.&quot;  That is to say, only a gov&#039;t diploma is recognized by Canadian universities as a &quot;high school diploma.&quot;  As I said above, this can be issued from a school in Canada accredited by its home province, or a school/program in the U.S. accredited by one of the organizations that is authorized by the gov&#039;t to give this kind of accreditation.  (Extra layer of complication, but it ultimately can be traced back to some government approval.)

In terms of BC universities&#039; entrance policies, I don&#039;t know these off the top of my head.  A quick glance online doesn&#039;t give me too much of a heads up.  But, be sure to check out this page regarding BC ( http://www.chriscorrigan.com/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.HowToGetIntoUniversityWithoutAHighSchoolDiploma ) which leads me to believe that BC universities would also use the same basic &quot;definition&quot; of a homeschooler that Ontario universities do, even if it&#039;s not explicitly stated anywhere.  

Remember that each school is allowed to create their own admission policies.  Ontario just happens to be taking measures to explicitly mention homeschoolers as a separate entrance category (just like say mature students or transfer students) and I don&#039;t think BC is doing that yet.  So, as you&#039;ll see if you read Chris Corrigan&#039;s page mentioned above, applying as a &quot;homeschooler&quot; to a BC university is still a little like finding open doors rather than using the clear guidelines that many Ontario universities have established.

Hope that helps, and let me know if I can be of further assistance!

Sarah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rosina,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.  I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve been enjoying the site.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;ve written above pretty much goes across the country with respect to &#8220;accreditation.&#8221;  That is to say, only a gov&#8217;t diploma is recognized by Canadian universities as a &#8220;high school diploma.&#8221;  As I said above, this can be issued from a school in Canada accredited by its home province, or a school/program in the U.S. accredited by one of the organizations that is authorized by the gov&#8217;t to give this kind of accreditation.  (Extra layer of complication, but it ultimately can be traced back to some government approval.)</p>
<p>In terms of BC universities&#8217; entrance policies, I don&#8217;t know these off the top of my head.  A quick glance online doesn&#8217;t give me too much of a heads up.  But, be sure to check out this page regarding BC ( <a href="http://www.chriscorrigan.com/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.HowToGetIntoUniversityWithoutAHighSchoolDiploma" rel="nofollow">http://www.chriscorrigan.com/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.HowToGetIntoUniversityWithoutAHighSchoolDiploma</a> ) which leads me to believe that BC universities would also use the same basic &#8220;definition&#8221; of a homeschooler that Ontario universities do, even if it&#8217;s not explicitly stated anywhere.  </p>
<p>Remember that each school is allowed to create their own admission policies.  Ontario just happens to be taking measures to explicitly mention homeschoolers as a separate entrance category (just like say mature students or transfer students) and I don&#8217;t think BC is doing that yet.  So, as you&#8217;ll see if you read Chris Corrigan&#8217;s page mentioned above, applying as a &#8220;homeschooler&#8221; to a BC university is still a little like finding open doors rather than using the clear guidelines that many Ontario universities have established.</p>
<p>Hope that helps, and let me know if I can be of further assistance!</p>
<p>Sarah.</p>
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		<title>By: Rosina</title>
		<link>http://www.rainsberger.ca/blog/2008/03/20/homeschool-diplomas-fact-vs-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops the above comment from me had the wrong email. I accidentally added an extra letter, please email me back from this one. Sorry about that.
Rosina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops the above comment from me had the wrong email. I accidentally added an extra letter, please email me back from this one. Sorry about that.<br />
Rosina</p>
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		<title>By: Rosina</title>
		<link>http://www.rainsberger.ca/blog/2008/03/20/homeschool-diplomas-fact-vs-fiction/comment-page-1/#comment-1417</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I have been thoroughly enjoying your site. The above article about high school diplomas was especially great! What I am wondering though is how relevant is this to BC? Or is it pretty much the same all across the country? 
I&#039;ll definitely be back to read some more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I have been thoroughly enjoying your site. The above article about high school diplomas was especially great! What I am wondering though is how relevant is this to BC? Or is it pretty much the same all across the country?<br />
I&#8217;ll definitely be back to read some more!</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Rainsberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Rainsberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tiffany,

There are lots of reasons why people may not complete a high school diploma, and the nice thing is, it doesn&#039;t have to hold you back in life if you have the determination to succeed.

You&#039;re right -- vet tech. programs are offered in Ontario colleges.  If you don&#039;t complete a high school diploma, then you&#039;ll probably need to wait until you are 19 (or 21, depending on the school) to apply as a mature student.

In the mean time though, it would be smart to find ways to keep up with especially your math and science knowledge, since you&#039;ll have an easier time in a vet tech. program if you can demonstrate your abilities in these areas.

If you do want to finish your diploma, just in a way that works better for your health situation, then there are options with online or correspondence courses.  Look at the ILC (www.ilc.org) in particular.  You can just take one or a few courses (not a full load) to keep yourself &quot;up&quot; with school but go at a pace that your health allows.

If you need any help or guidance in the matter, send me an email!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tiffany,</p>
<p>There are lots of reasons why people may not complete a high school diploma, and the nice thing is, it doesn&#8217;t have to hold you back in life if you have the determination to succeed.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right &#8212; vet tech. programs are offered in Ontario colleges.  If you don&#8217;t complete a high school diploma, then you&#8217;ll probably need to wait until you are 19 (or 21, depending on the school) to apply as a mature student.</p>
<p>In the mean time though, it would be smart to find ways to keep up with especially your math and science knowledge, since you&#8217;ll have an easier time in a vet tech. program if you can demonstrate your abilities in these areas.</p>
<p>If you do want to finish your diploma, just in a way that works better for your health situation, then there are options with online or correspondence courses.  Look at the ILC (www.ilc.org) in particular.  You can just take one or a few courses (not a full load) to keep yourself &#8220;up&#8221; with school but go at a pace that your health allows.</p>
<p>If you need any help or guidance in the matter, send me an email!</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 16 and I have a lot of problems with going to regular school.. I have too many health problems and it just makes it so hard to attend!! I&#039;ve dropped out of school because I just can&#039;t do it that way right now... I really do want my education and do care about it... I&#039;m just really scared that there are no other ways to get it.. I really don&#039;t want to end up like some slacker that can&#039;t ever find a good job.. by getting my education I mean.. get an education good enough to get into a college or university to study for a Veterinarian Technician job when I&#039;m older. You don&#039;t have to go to University for it though... I think college is good enough.. I have to double check the Vet Tech. requirements again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 16 and I have a lot of problems with going to regular school.. I have too many health problems and it just makes it so hard to attend!! I&#8217;ve dropped out of school because I just can&#8217;t do it that way right now&#8230; I really do want my education and do care about it&#8230; I&#8217;m just really scared that there are no other ways to get it.. I really don&#8217;t want to end up like some slacker that can&#8217;t ever find a good job.. by getting my education I mean.. get an education good enough to get into a college or university to study for a Veterinarian Technician job when I&#8217;m older. You don&#8217;t have to go to University for it though&#8230; I think college is good enough.. I have to double check the Vet Tech. requirements again.</p>
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